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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible TDU site?
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Hi Michael,
yeah my site is with them and it now gets shitty banner adds coming up all
the time :( GRRRR!!!
oh well.
http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils/
regards TM
>From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:40:48 +1000
>
>The site is Crosswinds
>
>http://home.crosswinds.net/
>
>I have heard they are relaible, just be aware that although they claim no
>adverts the latest trick is the USA is to offer ' no adverts ' until the
>provider builds up its user base, than one day send a sad sob E Mail
>stating that adverts have to be placed to keep the service going, etc,
>etc.
>
>They do this because they know users shy from the sites that offer free
>soace with adverts and banners.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Paul Yole
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>Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2000 7:05
>Subject: aus-wx: Possible TDU site?
>
>
>Hey all,
>
>I were looking about and were told of a site by someone where you can get
>your own domain name for free, and I got to thinking about creating a
>Thunder Down Under site, for reports from the TDU chases.
>
>This could include chases, possible bios on the participants, etc. as well
>as be updated every year with the new chase.
>
>What are peoples thoughts on this.
>
>Paul.
>Paul Yole
>Aswa Victoria
>0418 369 256
>pyole at australia.edu
>
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 31 Dec 99 00:00:00 +1000
Subject: Chasing and game shows (Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Heavy rain in southern NSW
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Hello Jimmy!
25 Oct 00 21:02, you wrote to All:
JD> I have now resigned to the fact that I have to be willing to take days
JD> of work when the action occurs and that I will certainly do.
JD> Unfortunately, tomorrow is not the day I can take the day off as I
JD> have a few extremely important things to do, but there will be events
JD> to chase in the near future.
I think you're right, though sometimes you get lucky. One memorable storm I
didn't have to chase at all, it was the one that brought the Airport West
tornado a couple of months ago. It was approaching as I walked home from the
tram stop, and was looking at it! (missed the funnel though).
But it's a simple case of probability with a bit of Murphy thrown in (work 5
days, 2 off, sleep 1/3 of the time, and odds are that you will miss most
storms).
This applies not only to storms, but to any weather phenomena. I was only able
to get to the beach last summer by taking time off work. Every weekend in
Melbourne was cool!!! :-( So, yes, if you're serious, you would need to be
able to manage your other commitments in a flexible manner to make time for
chasing.
On a totally different note, I happened to watch a bit of Sale of the Century
tonight, and the visual question depicted a photo of a tornado. The question
was something along the lines of "what sort of weather phenomena is depicted on
the picture"? The contestant answered (word for word) "cyclone or tornado".
Normally, they take the first answer (in this case, "cyclone"), which was
initially given as incorrect. However, several minutes later (and after I had
walked out of the room!), apparently, the judges reversed their decision! Now,
I can see two reasons for that:
1. Perhaps they decided the second answer of "tornado" could be accepted.
That's a matter of interpretation, and not an issue (don't care what their
rules are :) ).
2. Perhaps they accepted "cyclone" as correct! Now, I don't agree with that
one!
Did anyone else see that episode, and see what actually happened? And any
comments?
Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: SE QLD Storms - WOW!!!!!!
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Hi Everyone,
I am going to write up a full report ASAP - but below is a quick summary and
some pictures, taken by Jason Rainforest and Myself
The Warwick storm - what a beast. Most probably severe too, but the green
tinge above the gust front, and the general fantastic look to the whole
storm made us want to stay ahead of it and keep photographing it rather than
letting it move over us.
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick1.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick2.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick3.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick4.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick5.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick6.jpg
Also a cool storm with a great overshooting top around the Crows Nest area,
taken from just NE of Warwick around 5:30pm
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/sc1.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/sc2.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/sc3.jpg
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/sc4.jpg
This next pic is probably one of my favourites for the day - you may have to
use your imagination a little bit, but look for the 'atom bomb' type
updraft, with the top of it curling over
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/atom-bomb.jpg
The next severe storm was experienced just east of Boonah on the way home.
We sat on the side of the highway enjoying the lightning (a lot of the Cg's
were embedded in the rain curtain, but there were some SPECTACULAR strikes
including one that pulsed half a dozen times 1-200m away from us), and
watched a gust front similar to this one:
http://bsch.simplenet.com/ben/temp3/warwick4.jpg
approach. As it moved over wind gusts increased to 80-90km/h and 'tinks' on
the roof from small, but seeminly increasing size hail became more and more
frequent - the rain was almost torrential. It started getting a little to
wild, and we turned around and drove out of the storm. That might sound a
little wussy to some people, but we were in a very exposed postion and the
last thing we wanted was debri smashing through the car windows.
All in all it was a brilliant day - with more instability forecast for
tomorrow, becoming EXTREME north of Brisbane on Friday, to say i'm looking
forward to the next few days is putting it mildly :)
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From: "Anthony Spierings" <as029 at bigpond.net.au>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:02 PM
Subject: aus-wx: BNE - Small multi-cell storms approaching
>
> There are a number of small multi-cell storms approaching the Brisbane
metro
> area from the west. Looks like they will collapse before reaching the
metro
> area. Hopefully brining some general rain. A few cells are giving the
> Sunshine Coast a drop of rain as well.
>
> Interestingly, the colour weather radar on Channel 10 had a lot more green
> in it than the BoM radar. I would hazard a guess that what was light blue
> on the BoM radar was shown as green on the image provided by Channel 10
????
>
> Some of the cells were photogenic during development. The local chasers
> should return with some good happy snaps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Spierings
> as029 at bigpond.net.au
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Heavy rain in southern NSW and Vic
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Hi Jimmy,
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> My thoughts are that to get storms, you have to have the time to chase
them
> and observe them where they occur.
of course, you could make it your life :)
cya
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain
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Just back from three days at a conference in Albury (which is why
you haven't been hearing anything from me during the course of
this event). I'll have a bit more to say about records etc. when
I get round to compiling things.
Albury itself didn't get the heaviest of the rain (46mm over the
three days), but, as other posters have noted, the Hume was already
so full that further releases had to be done from it (I heard the
SA Water Resources Minister was shamelessly trying to claim credit
for this!). This, plus inflows from the Kiewa (which comes in below
the Hume), has meant moderate flooding at Albury - no buildings
affected, but much of the riverfront park is under water, as is most
of the plain crossed by the causeway between Albury and Wodonga.
One item from the conference of interest to many on this list is
that a new radar is to be installed near Cobram which will fill
the NE Victoria radar hole, although I believe it won't be fully
operational until 2002.
Blair Trewin
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From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Wednesday Central coast NSW storms & file request
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Hi all,
Wow, what a day yesterday was! After watching AVN and GASP for the last 2
days, I decided to head up to Taree (LI -5, CAPE 1200, TT 55) for some
afternoon storms. I was definitely not disappointed.
I took a few photos of some impressive Cu and a towering Cb, about 2pm (just
north of Buladelah), boiling updrafts were visible to the north. At 2:30 I
watched the storm towards Taree from a small side-street in Nabiac.
Watching the intense CC and CG's in front of the blackening sky with the AM
radio going nuts was sure exciting, and I could see very dense and well
defined lowerings almost touching the ground.
Approaching Taree at 2:50pm I could make out a funnel-shaped cloud on the
eastern/northern edge of the storm, it only persisted for about 20 seconds
though, and I was unable to take a photo because I was still driving. Just
after 3pm I was just north of Taree, watching scuds almost near ground level
getting sucked up into the main base. Twice (over the space of 10 minutes)
I noticed rotation in the base where the scuds were being drawn into.
Watching scuds being drawn in from all around, there was definite
convergence on this point.
After the main cell passed over, lifting was still evident from steam and
then scuds being drawn up from the highway and surrounding hills.
Unfortunately I had to leave shortly after (to make it back to Sydney for
something else), so I didn't like leaving that black sky behind me (to head
back into clear skies for Sydney). On the way back I managed to take a few
more nice photos of some updrafts around Nabiac (looking South this time).
Some brilliant mammatus pics are sure to come out as well.
Report with photos to come by the end of the week. Initially I thought
that chasing pockets of 'enticing' LI's and CAPE would perhaps lead to a
bust, but I'm glad it didn't. :) Three things I learnt though, leave
early to get there early (and have more observation time) ; and also
set-aside the entire day to ensure you catch all the action (so you don't
have to head home early). The third one was more of a 'wish-list' - I
wish I had a video camera. :) There are just some things that you NEED
video for (to see rotation, etc).
If anyone has ANY satpics or radar loops saved from yesterday that would
cover this action, could you PLEASE email me direct...thanks.
Mal.
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Offtopic: Kak worm alert
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:36:04 +1000
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<DIV>Hey all,</DIV>
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<DIV>Just a quick warning. While going through me email this morning, i got an
email from a friend n the US, which VET picked up as being infected with the
kakworm virus. I received an email off this same person ast week, but VET didn't
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:26:12 +1000
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Hi all!
Wow - what a great day yesterday!!! I've got a report with video
captures up at:
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/storm-chasing/2000/25-10/anthony/index.html
There's also another lowering present there towards the end...well, I'll
let you guys be the judge. Any comments welcome!
--
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QLD, 4153
Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
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Great report Anthony! The next best thing to chasing is watching / wondering
as things explode via radar / CG tracker and then to actually get a visual
perspective of the action through someone elses video / words. From what I
see in the last few captures (awesome) it most certainly looks like a wall
cloud - funnel. It might be my imagination but I can make out signs of
rotation.
Well today and more so Friday look very good as well so good luck to all you
guys chasing. After checking out the situation yesterday I was on the verge
of buying a plane ticket to Brisbane although my wife somehow talked me out
of it!
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>
>Hi all!
>
>Wow - what a great day yesterday!!! I've got a report with video
>captures up at:
>
>http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/storm-chasing/2000/25-10/anthony/index.html
>
>There's also another lowering present there towards the end...well, I'll
>let you guys be the judge. Any comments welcome!
>--
>Anthony Cornelius
>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>(ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>14 Kinsella St
>Belmont, Brisbane
>QLD, 4153
>Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: More on Victorian rain
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I've now had the chance to do a bit more of an assessment of the
Victorian rain event. To some extent the way everyone was getting
excited about it reflects the lack of major rain events in recent
years - we would have to go back to 1995 for anything as big across
the bulk of the state, although there have been local events more
recently that have been much more severe (e.g. East Gippsland in
June 1998). Generally we're looking at a once in 2-3 years event.
Even given the recent dry years, every river I can think of has had
more severe floods in October in one or more of 1998, 1995 or 1993
(and the threat to property at Maribyrnong, now passed, says a lot
more about the urban planning, or lack thereof, in that area than it
does about how extreme the situation was).
Now for some numbers:
- Melbourne had 70.8mm in 48 hours. There have been 80 previous
instances in the 144-year record of higher 48-hour falls (although
these only represent 55 separate events, as some overlap - for example
a one-day fall of 70mm will contribute to two pairs of 48-hour totals),
four of them in October (most recently 1983). The most recent such
fall was on 31 December 1995-1 January 1996. The October record is
89.6mm, and the all-months record 139.7mm on 29-30 November 1934
(which set up the most severe flooding of the 20th century in Melbourne)
- numerous station records will have been set (haven't been through
many of them), but no regional or district records have been set
as far as I am aware. The highest 24-hour fall was 118mm at Cairn
Curran Reservoir; to put this in perspective, there have been
9 instances of October 24-hour falls over 200mm in Victoria. Four
of these were in the NE highlands (including the highest, 275mm at
Falls Creek) - three in the flood of 4-5 October 1993 - two in East
Gippsland on 4 October 1966, and one each at Tanybryn in the Otways,
Sherbrooke in the Dandenongs and Newstead near Castlemaine. The
last of these (200.2, 22 October 1934) is near where the heaviest
falls were this time around. It is, of course, entirely possible that
stations which report monthly will have had higher totals; given
the flash flooding in the area, I will be particularly interested
to see what Malmsbury Reservoir ends up coming in with.
- Melbourne has now topped 100mm for the month, the first such month
since April 1996 (not January, as reported in the media this morning).
This is the second-longest such run on record.
Blair Trewin
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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cells in NE-NSW\SE-QLD
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Hi again
I still can't see the messages here. Anyway I am watching two cells west of
Redcliffe, QLD. One has a really good looking anvil and the other is
nondescipt. After watching them for a while, they appear to be converging.
Could this really be happening or am I seeing things? The southernmost one,
appears to have scud clouds beneath it which are rotating fairly rapidly. No
sign of a wall cloud yet, but I it may not yet be close enough. Again,
please email me your reply, nedz at bigpond.com
David
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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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Hello everyone
For some reason I have been kicked off the list(is it something I said?) and
can't rejoin. Anyway looks like some good cells on radar and a SWA for
NE-NSW. Any chance of a decent storm for Brisbane or Redcliffe? Lots of
lightning to the west of Brisbane.
Please cc any replys to me, as I can't access the list at the moment.
David
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Hi all,
Promising cumulus congestus finally developed further into a weak storm
just before 3pm. This formed just west of Lismore and has tracked ENE,
skirting my location, then passing over the Nightcap Range and then
crossing the coast at Brunswick Heads just north of Byron Bay from about
4.30pm. Updrafts were only reaching about 30,000 but since the storm has
reached the coast it has shot up to about 40,000 I estimate. There appeared
to be a hail shaft and from my view looking towards the NE, there have
numerous lowerings with stratus wrapping into the rear updraft. Quite an
impressive sight and radar has shown it has moved into the 'red' briefly.
Weak activity is persisting to my W, SW and S, so it may move through later
this evening.
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At 12:00 AM 31/12/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hello Jimmy!
>
>25 Oct 00 21:02, you wrote to All:
>
> JD> I have now resigned to the fact that I have to be willing to take days
> JD> of work when the action occurs and that I will certainly do.
> JD> Unfortunately, tomorrow is not the day I can take the day off as I
> JD> have a few extremely important things to do, but there will be events
> JD> to chase in the near future.
>
>I think you're right, though sometimes you get lucky. One memorable storm I
>didn't have to chase at all, it was the one that brought the Airport West
>tornado a couple of months ago. It was approaching as I walked home from the
>tram stop, and was looking at it! (missed the funnel though).
This is exactly what I mean... not that it was easy but had you been in a
better position then you may have seen the funnel. The people that were
lucky were the ones who filmed it. Now whether they actually went onto a
lookout because of some interest in storms I don't know.
I know what you mean though you can get lucky and in fact I must say that I
was lucky to not be chasing when I observed the wall cloud on 9th March -
all I had to do is cross the road. But more often than not, you will wait a
very long time for these situations. I know some people fear the fact that
they are in northern NSW chasing and a tornado occurs in Sydney!!! Well my
feeling now is that someone else in Sydney would have covered that and we
can observe other regions. I suppose it is also the risk you take in
covering a different region. This also adds to the excitement.
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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
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at 2:45pm EST on Thursday the 26th of October 2000
for the Capricornia District.
A severe thunderstorm has been observed on radar near Mt Morgan
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rainfall are
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Mother Nature has the sickest sense of humour doesn't she?
I was at a friends house one night for a party, bit of music, few drinks. A
storm rolled in, lightning hit the house.
What were the only things to get fried?
Fridge and stereo.........
Chris
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> Yesterday's lightning strike was a little close for comfort. The
transformer
> about 3 metres from the front of my house took the bolt. Fried my modem
and
> Computer I thought but had killed the power board instead. The "new"
weather
> station is dead. Got a new modem, but have to wait for insurance on the
> other stuff.
> Apparently nothing showed on radar or lightning tracker for here. As you
can
> imagine it was a pretty savage strike, with very heavy rain that followed.
> There was no rumbling etc to say a strike may happen. One bolt, heavy rain
> that's it! All over red rover. 20mm I think in 10-15 minutes. The jokes
> there guys/gals, I think I'm in a dead spot. :-)
> Bussie (NE Victoria)
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Hi Guys, a couple of radar pics of some current storms near Mackay, Why are
they so severe, i.e what are their influences?
check out
www.geocities.com/gavcyclone/storms
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A press release on the new radar has appeared on the Bureau website at
http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/001023.shtml,
though it gives less information in 8 paragraphs than Blair did in one
sentence.
Also of interest is that a link to "Radar Images (Rainfall location
and intensity) - Every 10 minutes" has appeared on the Bureau's
National Weather and Flood Information page at
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/national/index.shtml, though it doesn't
link to anything yet. Worth watching.
Laurier
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:04:44 +1100 (EST), Blair Trewin
<blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>Just back from three days at a conference in Albury (which is why
>you haven't been hearing anything from me during the course of
>this event). I'll have a bit more to say about records etc. when
>I get round to compiling things.
>
>Albury itself didn't get the heaviest of the rain (46mm over the
>three days), but, as other posters have noted, the Hume was already
>so full that further releases had to be done from it (I heard the
>SA Water Resources Minister was shamelessly trying to claim credit
>for this!). This, plus inflows from the Kiewa (which comes in below
>the Hume), has meant moderate flooding at Albury - no buildings
>affected, but much of the riverfront park is under water, as is most
>of the plain crossed by the causeway between Albury and Wodonga.
>
>One item from the conference of interest to many on this list is
>that a new radar is to be installed near Cobram which will fill
>the NE Victoria radar hole, although I believe it won't be fully
>operational until 2002.
>
>Blair Trewin
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Just had someone tell me that the strike that got me on Tuesday travelled
nearly straight across the sky from the North and was seen by several
people, and then turned sharply to earth, of course hitting the pole in
front of my house. The weird part was that there was no warnings, eg,
rumblings etc and just the one solitary strike, followed by heavy rain and
that was it. Just a theory I have, perhaps the strike was attracted to the
transformer on the pole?? Perhaps if there was no transformer then it may
just have been a cloud to cloud strike??? Lightening (no pun intended) up
here. How fast would the speed of lightning be if it didn't have to zig-zag.
:-)
Bussie (NE Victoria)
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Hi again, sorry about the last link I sent it is supposed to be
www.geocities.com/gavcyclone/storms.html
Sorry
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Hi
Massive amounts of pink with red in it on radar in NE NSW (look at
brisbane local scale radar)
I am very surprised there is no warning out for this storm.
Anthony has just headed out to the Gold Coast, he should get a good
lightning show !
Matt Smith
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Matt Smith wrote:
>Massive amounts of pink with red in it on radar in NE NSW (look at
>brisbane local scale radar)
>
>I am very surprised there is no warning out for this storm.
>
That's for sure Matt, quite amazing really they go must have just finished
his coffeee and danish as one has only just been issued - another supercell
most likely and, based on its current movement, the people of Murwillumbah
will be in for a nasty surprise right about now (with about 5 minutes
warning!).
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There's no doubt the transformer provided the path of least resistance!
The description of the rain following it reminds me of the 'rain gush'
theory I heard about years ago (actually I think it was at an AMOS
talk). I think that was the name given to it..it apparently has
something to do with the equalisation of electrical charges between the
cloud and the ground and somehow this also has to do with the release of
cloud water as the downdrafts become stronger than the updrafts.
I'm a bit vague on all of this but has anyone ever heard of it?
bussie wrote:
>
> Just had someone tell me that the strike that got me on Tuesday travelled
> nearly straight across the sky from the North and was seen by several
> people, and then turned sharply to earth, of course hitting the pole in
> front of my house. The weird part was that there was no warnings, eg,
> rumblings etc and just the one solitary strike, followed by heavy rain and
> that was it. Just a theory I have, perhaps the strike was attracted to the
> transformer on the pole?? Perhaps if there was no transformer then it may
> just have been a cloud to cloud strike??? Lightening (no pun intended) up
> here. How fast would the speed of lightning be if it didn't have to zig-zag.
> :-)
> Bussie (NE Victoria)
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You'd think they would have learnt their lesson from the Sydney hailstorm!!
Paul G.
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> Matt Smith wrote:
>
> >Massive amounts of pink with red in it on radar in NE NSW (look at
> >brisbane local scale radar)
> >
> >I am very surprised there is no warning out for this storm.
> >
>
> That's for sure Matt, quite amazing really they go must have just finished
> his coffeee and danish as one has only just been issued - another
supercell
> most likely and, based on its current movement, the people of Murwillumbah
> will be in for a nasty surprise right about now (with about 5 minutes
> warning!).
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>
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>
> Northern Rivers north of Cape Byron
>
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I forgot to add that the 'rain gush' description was coined from the
common occurrence of a clap of thunder followed almost immediately by a
heavy downpour, but then you would have all been able to work that out
anyway...
"There's no doubt the transformer provided the path of least resistance!
The description of the rain following it reminds me of the 'rain gush'
theory I heard about years ago (actually I think it was at an AMOS
talk). I think that was the name given to it..it apparently has
something to do with the equalisation of electrical charges between the
cloud and the ground and somehow this also has to do with the release of
cloud water as the downdrafts become stronger than the updrafts.
I'm a bit vague on all of this but has anyone ever heard of it?"
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:34:45 +1000
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Evening all,
I've put some pics up of the Yarra River just below Dight's Falls - it's
the highest I can remember it in the past 10 years, but lower than
yesterday (as you saw on the Channel 7 news last night). I've had a
total of 52.2mm out of this system.......
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/261000.htm
Jane
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<x-flowed>
Yes, it has hit big time up here - we had 50-60 knot winds !! from the NW
as the storm spread in. Massive shelf cloud developed northwards before
swinging around from NW and hitting. 15mm in about 15 mins. Water entered
the N facing rooms of our house, deck chairs went flying, some damage to my
wife's wall stuff outside (pity :)
No hail.
But the lightning - woohoo -- multiple flashes every second for over an
hour - what a show!!!!
Michael
At 18:54 26/10/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Matt Smith wrote:
>
>>Massive amounts of pink with red in it on radar in NE NSW (look at
>>brisbane local scale radar)
>>
>>I am very surprised there is no warning out for this storm.
>
>That's for sure Matt, quite amazing really they go must have just finished
>his coffeee and danish as one has only just been issued - another
>supercell most likely and, based on its current movement, the people of
>Murwillumbah will be in for a nasty surprise right about now (with about 5
>minutes warning!).
>---------
>
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>Issued at 1940 on Thursday the 26th of October 2000
>
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>
>Northern Rivers north of Cape Byron
>
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>continue for the next 2 hours. Some of these are expected to be severe
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From: "John Graham" <gorzzzz at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: Re: STA finally (wasRe: aus-wx: NE NSW storms)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:58:24 +1000
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Subject: Re: STA finally (wasRe: aus-wx: NE NSW storms)
> Yes, it has hit big time up here - we had 50-60 knot winds !! from the NW
> as the storm spread in. Massive shelf cloud developed northwards before
> swinging around from NW and hitting. 15mm in about 15 mins. Water entered
> the N facing rooms of our house, deck chairs went flying, some damage to
my
> wife's wall stuff outside (pity :)
>
> No hail.
>
> But the lightning - woohoo -- multiple flashes every second for over an
> hour - what a show!!!!
>
> Michael
>
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I'll second that...except the high winds.......interesting..had about 20mm
in about the same time here.......... bloody good light show though
:-))))))))
John in Ballina
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From: "Anthony Spierings" <as029 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tuesday's strike
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:00:37 +1000
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Hello bussie,
Sorry to hear about the damage. You question regarding the dynamics of
lightning would be best answered by someone like Jimmy Deguara. He has some
good articles at;
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/index.html
I will stick my neck out (and gladly stand corrected) but I thought that the
actual touch down point only resolves itself in the last few hundred metres.
A power transformer is typically well bonded to the general mass of earth.
In urban areas, everything (in the network) is bonded to everything (in the
network) and would appear (to lightning) as one large earth mat. In rural
areas, depending on the soil electrical resistance, a transformer _may_
appear as a nice blob of low resistance dangling in mid air.
As an aside, I live rather close to the 4QR (local ABC AM transmitter). It
is that huge aerial that one can see as one takes the main highway north out
of Brisbane. I did a lot of research into transmitters and cancer before I
bought the property. One interesting piece of research (see disclaimer) I
came across was that tall objects (like radio transmitters) get, on average,
less lightning strikes. But, short objects (like buildings) next to tall
objects are hit more often than average. (The disclaimer is I could not
verify that the research was conducted in a proper manner.)
As another aside, about 10 years ago there was an USA firm heavily pushing a
special overhead earth wire. (Overhead earth wire runs over the top of
powerlines, protecting them from lightning strikes.) This wire was
constructed a bit like barb wire. It has many sharp little spikes all over
the wire, supposedly as discharge points. The theory was that all the
discharge points would encourage a slow discharge of electrons and bleed off
any electrical potential. The supplier claimed that lightning strikes would
not occur in the first place. At the time work was not interested (theory
sounded a bit too voodoo) and the supplier was not prepared to throw in a
free set of steak knifes.
Now that I have not answered the question, I will leave.
Regards,
Anthony Spierings
as029 at bigpond.net.au <mailto:as029 at bigpond.net.au>
>
> Just had someone tell me that the strike that got me on Tuesday travelled
> nearly straight across the sky from the North and was seen by several
> people, and then turned sharply to earth, of course hitting the pole in
> front of my house. The weird part was that there was no warnings, eg,
> rumblings etc and just the one solitary strike, followed by heavy rain and
> that was it. Just a theory I have, perhaps the strike was attracted to the
> transformer on the pole?? Perhaps if there was no transformer then it may
> just have been a cloud to cloud strike??? Lightening (no pun intended) up
> here. How fast would the speed of lightning be if it didn't have
> to zig-zag.
>
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From: "Anthony Spierings" <as029 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: BNE: Radar Local 11:50 UTC
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:10:49 +1000
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Check out the Brisbane local loop. Especially the 11:40 to 11:50 UTC
images. Looks like two cells crossing each other's path . It will be
interesting to watch.
Regards,
Anthony Spierings
as029 at bigpond.net.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm News Illawarra event from 19th October
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http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0010-02.htm
This is the report on the Illawarra event with my thoughts at the end. I am
also awaiting the reports of others of this very well covered event.
Mario's pictures are also on the report giving a different perspective of
the event.
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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia
e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
Web Page with Michael Bath
Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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